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		<title>By: missholley</title>
		<link>http://davidrochester.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/critics-and-reality-based-fiction-plus-a-bonus-feature/#comment-4770</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved reading this post...especially the first one.  I have a brutal inner critic.  I&#039;d like to punch her in the face sometimes.  Your words made a lot of sense, and I plan to recall them the next time my inner critic tells me I&#039;m not good enough.  Thanks for these words, David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved reading this post&#8230;especially the first one.  I have a brutal inner critic.  I&#8217;d like to punch her in the face sometimes.  Your words made a lot of sense, and I plan to recall them the next time my inner critic tells me I&#8217;m not good enough.  Thanks for these words, David.</p>
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		<title>By: davidrochester</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think once I understand the orientation of the room a bit better, I&#039;ll be able to guide the book choice in a subtle way.  My own level of confusion didn&#039;t help the situation; I don&#039;t really understand how the books are organized, and time is so very short (between walking the kids to and from their classes, the actual reading time gets cut down to maybe twenty minutes) that I just wanted to get on with it once he chose a book.  I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll figure out a better system as time goes by.  Or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think once I understand the orientation of the room a bit better, I&#8217;ll be able to guide the book choice in a subtle way.  My own level of confusion didn&#8217;t help the situation; I don&#8217;t really understand how the books are organized, and time is so very short (between walking the kids to and from their classes, the actual reading time gets cut down to maybe twenty minutes) that I just wanted to get on with it once he chose a book.  I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll figure out a better system as time goes by.  Or not.</p>
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		<title>By: modestypress</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David wrote: &lt;i&gt;About Julio’s book … he chose it himself, which the program likes to encourage the kids to do. The strange thing about it to me was that he didn’t necessarily seem disengaged from the book, although it can’t have been all that interesting to him. Personally I found it boring as all hell, so next time perhaps I’ll gently point him toward a different part of the room. There was a book about trains that I kind of hoped he’d choose.&lt;/i&gt;

Sometimes what we think we&#039;re supposed to teach is not what we should be teaching. Maybe Julio has no idea of how to choose a book. I&#039;ve seen this with my granddaughter. I took her to a library and she would choose a book that was completely inappropriate. Obviously she had some basis for grabbing something that made &quot;sense&quot; to her, but that didn&#039;t mean it was sensible.

Thinking about it, it might be useful to provide Julio with about a dozen books (if this is at all practical--which may not be the case) and let him choose from the dozen or so, and let him change his mind in the middle of his choice, and so on. I don&#039;t know if this makes any sense, but I think it&#039;s worth contemplating.

In fact, this may have some relevance to your trouble with women. You seem to say I&#039;ll choose this women because she pays attention to me or because she doesn&#039;t pay attention to me or whatever, but does your choice in relationships make any more sense than Julio&#039;s choices in books? 

On the other hand, this comment may not make any sense at all. So why are you paying any attention to this comment, when you get so many comments.

My Uncle George, who is an obscurely renowned composer, told me once that a problem in modern music is that there is no particular reason to put one note after another, so composition becomes a purely arbitrary process. He was talking about John Cage. My uncle seemed fairly comfortable with this, which is perhaps why he won a MacArthur award. On the other hand, he was married several times, which may indicate he had no particular reason for choosing one wife over another. I will not put any more words in this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David wrote: <i>About Julio’s book … he chose it himself, which the program likes to encourage the kids to do. The strange thing about it to me was that he didn’t necessarily seem disengaged from the book, although it can’t have been all that interesting to him. Personally I found it boring as all hell, so next time perhaps I’ll gently point him toward a different part of the room. There was a book about trains that I kind of hoped he’d choose.</i></p>
<p>Sometimes what we think we&#8217;re supposed to teach is not what we should be teaching. Maybe Julio has no idea of how to choose a book. I&#8217;ve seen this with my granddaughter. I took her to a library and she would choose a book that was completely inappropriate. Obviously she had some basis for grabbing something that made &#8220;sense&#8221; to her, but that didn&#8217;t mean it was sensible.</p>
<p>Thinking about it, it might be useful to provide Julio with about a dozen books (if this is at all practical&#8211;which may not be the case) and let him choose from the dozen or so, and let him change his mind in the middle of his choice, and so on. I don&#8217;t know if this makes any sense, but I think it&#8217;s worth contemplating.</p>
<p>In fact, this may have some relevance to your trouble with women. You seem to say I&#8217;ll choose this women because she pays attention to me or because she doesn&#8217;t pay attention to me or whatever, but does your choice in relationships make any more sense than Julio&#8217;s choices in books? </p>
<p>On the other hand, this comment may not make any sense at all. So why are you paying any attention to this comment, when you get so many comments.</p>
<p>My Uncle George, who is an obscurely renowned composer, told me once that a problem in modern music is that there is no particular reason to put one note after another, so composition becomes a purely arbitrary process. He was talking about John Cage. My uncle seemed fairly comfortable with this, which is perhaps why he won a MacArthur award. On the other hand, he was married several times, which may indicate he had no particular reason for choosing one wife over another. I will not put any more words in this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: davidrochester</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidrochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria -- Thanks for that; it&#039;s an excellent example of what I mean ... it can be done, but it requires great mastery of craft.

I think the litmus test is simply reader reaction, but I find that some writers aren&#039;t willing to accept that something they&#039;ve written is unbelievable, because they&#039;re so focused on its having been based on reality.  It&#039;s my opinion that making unlikely reality believable as fiction is one of the hardest things writers ever learn to do ... it&#039;s the writer&#039;s equivalent of learning to sing pianissimo high notes.  

I sure as hell can&#039;t do it, but I do know when I&#039;m reading something that hasn&#039;t pulled it off. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria &#8212; Thanks for that; it&#8217;s an excellent example of what I mean &#8230; it can be done, but it requires great mastery of craft.</p>
<p>I think the litmus test is simply reader reaction, but I find that some writers aren&#8217;t willing to accept that something they&#8217;ve written is unbelievable, because they&#8217;re so focused on its having been based on reality.  It&#8217;s my opinion that making unlikely reality believable as fiction is one of the hardest things writers ever learn to do &#8230; it&#8217;s the writer&#8217;s equivalent of learning to sing pianissimo high notes.  </p>
<p>I sure as hell can&#8217;t do it, but I do know when I&#8217;m reading something that hasn&#8217;t pulled it off. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gloria, Writer Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria, Writer Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the truth being stranger than fiction, you know that I have been grappling in my last few posts about fact vs fiction, and in my latest post on presenting PTSD in Tim O&#039;Brien&#039;s The Things They Carried, I&#039;ve decided there are definitely ways to present the reality that is stranger than truth by filtering it through the various levels of distortions of memory, presenting it as the narrator not being sure what the truth actually was, and thus having leeway to present plenty of strangeness, in this case, in the context of the Vietnam war, but also in the context of child abuse and other horrific events. He convinced me it can be done and well, but you need to be a master writer and you need to be willing to play with the concept of memory. This is the specific post: 

http://ritereading.blogspot.com/2008/03/war-stories-tim-obriens-post-traumatic.html
Writer Reading: Tim O&#039;Brien&#039;s Post-Traumatic War Memories</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the truth being stranger than fiction, you know that I have been grappling in my last few posts about fact vs fiction, and in my latest post on presenting PTSD in Tim O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s The Things They Carried, I&#8217;ve decided there are definitely ways to present the reality that is stranger than truth by filtering it through the various levels of distortions of memory, presenting it as the narrator not being sure what the truth actually was, and thus having leeway to present plenty of strangeness, in this case, in the context of the Vietnam war, but also in the context of child abuse and other horrific events. He convinced me it can be done and well, but you need to be a master writer and you need to be willing to play with the concept of memory. This is the specific post: </p>
<p><a href="http://ritereading.blogspot.com/2008/03/war-stories-tim-obriens-post-traumatic.html" rel="nofollow">http://ritereading.blogspot.com/2008/03/war-stories-tim-obriens-post-traumatic.html</a><br />
Writer Reading: Tim O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s Post-Traumatic War Memories</p>
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		<title>By: davidrochester</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smiler -- I&#039;m glad that you and your critic are having a more productive relationship these days. :-)  Your example with your journal is exactly what I mean about truth vs. fiction ... life is very odd.

Pan -- I didn&#039;t say that fiction shouldn&#039;t be based on reality, or that people shouldn&#039;t write what they know; I said you have to be careful when you do it. Smiler&#039;s comment about her journal is a perfect example of what I mean.  Obviously many things translate well to fiction -- but many things do not; extreme events, extreme coincidences ... sometimes things that seem obvious in real life, but need a lot of explanation to be believable in fiction.  The question isn&#039;t whether something really happened, but whether it&#039;s believable.  Real life is, frequently,unbelievable.  

I&#039;m always intrigued by the &quot;write what you know&quot; advice ... I think it would be more accurate to say &quot;write what you understand.&quot; Often,the things we &quot;know&quot; are the things we understand the least, because we&#039;re too close to them; we don&#039;t see them clearly enough to write about them well. 

Vroni -- I tend to think there&#039;s no such thing as truly accurate memory, just as there&#039;s no such thing as absolute truth.  

Rose -- Nice to see you!  

Corina -- Yeah, I&#039;m hoping the fact of my continuing to be there will speak more loudly than the fact that I don&#039;t want to be. 

Square 1 -- I have such admiration for people who homeschool ... it&#039;s more than a full time job, and harder, I think,than teaching a roomful of kids, because the demand on your attention is so continual and huge.  

Regarding the ADD ... this is just a thought, but it&#039;s a thought I have frequently.  I sometimes wonder whether ADD, especially in young kids, is simply an indication of a different learning style.  Considering how kids are naturally wired,and the highly unnatural way we school them, it&#039;s no wonder that kids whose minds aren&#039;t naturally quiet and confined become restless and frustrated.  I wish that we understood kinesthetic learning styles better than we do, especially for small children ... our primary methods of teaching are visual/auditory, which just doesn&#039;t click for kinesthetic learners.  The question, of course, is how else things like reading and mathematics can be taught.  There must be a way,though ... we just haven&#039;t figured it out. :-)

About Julio&#039;s book ... he chose it himself, which the program likes to encourage the kids to do.  The strange thing about it to me was that he didn&#039;t necessarily seem disengaged from the book, although it can&#039;t have been all that interesting to him.  Personally I found it boring as all hell, so next time perhaps I&#039;ll gently point him toward a different part of the room.  There was a book about trains that I kind of hoped he&#039;d choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smiler &#8212; I&#8217;m glad that you and your critic are having a more productive relationship these days. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Your example with your journal is exactly what I mean about truth vs. fiction &#8230; life is very odd.</p>
<p>Pan &#8212; I didn&#8217;t say that fiction shouldn&#8217;t be based on reality, or that people shouldn&#8217;t write what they know; I said you have to be careful when you do it. Smiler&#8217;s comment about her journal is a perfect example of what I mean.  Obviously many things translate well to fiction &#8212; but many things do not; extreme events, extreme coincidences &#8230; sometimes things that seem obvious in real life, but need a lot of explanation to be believable in fiction.  The question isn&#8217;t whether something really happened, but whether it&#8217;s believable.  Real life is, frequently,unbelievable.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m always intrigued by the &#8220;write what you know&#8221; advice &#8230; I think it would be more accurate to say &#8220;write what you understand.&#8221; Often,the things we &#8220;know&#8221; are the things we understand the least, because we&#8217;re too close to them; we don&#8217;t see them clearly enough to write about them well. </p>
<p>Vroni &#8212; I tend to think there&#8217;s no such thing as truly accurate memory, just as there&#8217;s no such thing as absolute truth.  </p>
<p>Rose &#8212; Nice to see you!  </p>
<p>Corina &#8212; Yeah, I&#8217;m hoping the fact of my continuing to be there will speak more loudly than the fact that I don&#8217;t want to be. </p>
<p>Square 1 &#8212; I have such admiration for people who homeschool &#8230; it&#8217;s more than a full time job, and harder, I think,than teaching a roomful of kids, because the demand on your attention is so continual and huge.  </p>
<p>Regarding the ADD &#8230; this is just a thought, but it&#8217;s a thought I have frequently.  I sometimes wonder whether ADD, especially in young kids, is simply an indication of a different learning style.  Considering how kids are naturally wired,and the highly unnatural way we school them, it&#8217;s no wonder that kids whose minds aren&#8217;t naturally quiet and confined become restless and frustrated.  I wish that we understood kinesthetic learning styles better than we do, especially for small children &#8230; our primary methods of teaching are visual/auditory, which just doesn&#8217;t click for kinesthetic learners.  The question, of course, is how else things like reading and mathematics can be taught.  There must be a way,though &#8230; we just haven&#8217;t figured it out. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>About Julio&#8217;s book &#8230; he chose it himself, which the program likes to encourage the kids to do.  The strange thing about it to me was that he didn&#8217;t necessarily seem disengaged from the book, although it can&#8217;t have been all that interesting to him.  Personally I found it boring as all hell, so next time perhaps I&#8217;ll gently point him toward a different part of the room.  There was a book about trains that I kind of hoped he&#8217;d choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Smiler</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to report that the critic and I are working on our relationship. It isn&#039;t always easy, and I suspect we&#039;ll be involved in this process for a long time, but at least he&#039;s released his grip enough to let me explore and play a little bit. 

About your second point, I discovered how &quot;unreal&quot; true events can seem once they&#039;re put down on a page through all my years of journaling. Too often, I would start writing about the latest events and eventually question myself as to whether I was exaggerating events, which of course wasn&#039;t the case. I used to joke that some events in my life read like fiction, but I know better now.

I certainly  believe you when you say you didn&#039;t enjoy your session with Julio, but have to say you&#039;re either really into doing things that you hate doing or you&#039;re more tolerant than I am because I wouldn&#039;t even consider signing up to that sort of program. Just don&#039;t have the inclination and certainly wouldn&#039;t have the patience either. But it looks like you have a natural talent for it and you probably have the ability to make a bigger impact than you even realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to report that the critic and I are working on our relationship. It isn&#8217;t always easy, and I suspect we&#8217;ll be involved in this process for a long time, but at least he&#8217;s released his grip enough to let me explore and play a little bit. </p>
<p>About your second point, I discovered how &#8220;unreal&#8221; true events can seem once they&#8217;re put down on a page through all my years of journaling. Too often, I would start writing about the latest events and eventually question myself as to whether I was exaggerating events, which of course wasn&#8217;t the case. I used to joke that some events in my life read like fiction, but I know better now.</p>
<p>I certainly  believe you when you say you didn&#8217;t enjoy your session with Julio, but have to say you&#8217;re either really into doing things that you hate doing or you&#8217;re more tolerant than I am because I wouldn&#8217;t even consider signing up to that sort of program. Just don&#8217;t have the inclination and certainly wouldn&#8217;t have the patience either. But it looks like you have a natural talent for it and you probably have the ability to make a bigger impact than you even realize.</p>
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		<title>By: pandemonic</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... I am going to disagree with you on the fiction writing. My fiction is very much based on real events from someone&#039;s life. I can&#039;t see myself writing about something I don&#039;t know about. It&#039;s much easier (for me) to write about things that I&#039;ve experienced. Plus, I don&#039;t think I would do justice to explaining another&#039;s existence. (For example, I&#039;m not a lawyer or an astronaut, so I couldn&#039;t write about being one.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; I am going to disagree with you on the fiction writing. My fiction is very much based on real events from someone&#8217;s life. I can&#8217;t see myself writing about something I don&#8217;t know about. It&#8217;s much easier (for me) to write about things that I&#8217;ve experienced. Plus, I don&#8217;t think I would do justice to explaining another&#8217;s existence. (For example, I&#8217;m not a lawyer or an astronaut, so I couldn&#8217;t write about being one.)</p>
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		<title>By: vroni1208</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to remembering, we usually stack the deck...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to remembering, we usually stack the deck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Dewy Knickers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose Dewy Knickers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning David. Hope all is well with you.

Rose

xo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning David. Hope all is well with you.</p>
<p>Rose</p>
<p>xo</p>
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